Latest Activity on 451 smart fortwo http://www.451s.com Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:32:46 +0000 Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:32:46 +0000 Latest Activity on 451 smart fortwo http://www.451s.com http://api.ning.com/icons/appatar/1912846?default=1912846&width=50&height=50 50 00000000001d300e0000000000a8ae328ed361ccbbe35a7f Harald Müssig commented on Harald Müssig's photo http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130122?xg_source=activity Harald Müssig commented on Harald Müssig's photo

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Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:39:19 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000000420a6fb0ceea19ced3826f Ptero replied to Ptero's discussion 'Running front tires on front AND rear' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130118?xg_source=activity Ptero replied to Ptero's discussion 'Running front tires on front AND rear'
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Thu, 22 Dec 2011 05:40:14 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000000420a6f3c2c737906c1b4e0 Ptero replied to Libby Bailey Underwood's discussion 'my car will not start!' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130208?xg_source=activity Ptero replied to Libby Bailey Underwood's discussion 'my car will not start!'
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Thu, 22 Dec 2011 05:11:13 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000000420a6f1bd09302dd3ca515 Discussion posted by Ptero http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Topic:129997?xg_source=activity Discussion posted by Ptero

Ptero incurs the wrath of GM, yuppie hypermilers and makes the Most Wanted list!

Renewable energy-powered Trabant - no history of garage firesWhere's the rest of the car? Go here [url]http://youtu.be/W2VBH9KRbYA[/url]Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per VehicleAnalyst: 'This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant'By TOM GANTERT Dec. 21, 2011 http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.The Volt subsidies flow through multiple companies involed in production. The analysis includes adding up the amount of government subsidies via tax credits and direct funding for not only General Motors, but other companies supplying parts for the vehicle. For example, the Department of Energy awarded a $105.9 million grant to the GM Brownstown plant that assembles the batteries. The company was also awarded approximately $106 million for its Hamtramck assembly plant in state credits to retain jobs. The company that supplies the Volt’s batteries, Compact Power, was awarded up to $100 million in refundable battery credits (combination tax breaks and cash subsidies). These are among many of the subsidies and tax credits for the vehicle.It’s unlikely that all the companies involved in Volt production will ever receive all the $3 billion in incentives, Hohman said, because many of them are linked to meeting various employment and other milestones. But the analysis looks at the total value that has been offered to the Volt in different aspects of production – from the assembly line to the dealerships to the battery manufacturers. Some tax credits and subsidies are offered for periods up to 20 years, though most have a much shorter time frame.GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.If battery manufacturers awarded incentives to produce batteries the Volt may use are included in the analysis, the potential government subsidy per Volt increases to $256,824. For example, A123 Systems has received extensive state and federal support, and bid to be a supplier to the Volt, but the deal instead went to Compact Power. The $256,824 figure includes adding up the subsidies to both companies.The $3 billion total subsidy figure includes $690.4 million offered by the state of Michigan and $2.3 billion in federal money. That’s enough to purchase 75,222 Volts with a sticker price of $39,828.Additional state and local support provided to Volt suppliers was not included in the analysis, Hohman said, and could increase the level of government aid. For instance, the Volt is being assembled at the Poletown plant in Detroit/Hamtramck, which was built on land acquired by General Motors through eminent domain.“It just goes to show there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”“This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant,” said Hohman, referring to the car produced by the former Communist state of East Germany.According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year.__________________________________________________Revision of my previous post based on the above analysisIt is ludicrous to suggest that the Chevy Volt, which cost over $250,000 in taxpayer investment plus $41,000 retail, a total of $291.000, saves owners money over similar gas vehicles which are priced about one-seventeenth as much.Saving gas with a VoltInstead of buying a Chevy Volt, I paid about $14,000 for my Smart Car. That means I saved more than $277,000 over buying a Volt.What will my odometer read when I spend as much money on the Smart Car as I would have spent on the Volt?$277,000 / $4 gal = 69,250 gallonsLet's see, I get 50 miles per gallon - but let's go with the EPA 41 mpg69,250 gal x 41 = 2,839,250 miles[B]This is how many miles I can drive my Smart Car before I have spent as much money as it cost to deliver a new Chevy Volt with zero miles on it.[/B]Yeah. I can save a lot of money on gas with a Volt. Right.Then there's this. I drive about 15,000 miles per year. But let's call it 20,000.2,839,000 / 20,000 = 142 years. How long is the warranty on that lithium battery pack?They forced me to be an unwilling partner in financing a car that only a bunch of idiots would buy.But if my father, God rest his soul, had read this, he would have had a heart attack to learn how the government had devalued his savings by printing money to foster their poorly-thought out pet projects.If battery tech had had commercial potential, it would have been marketed by the private sector without government incentives long before now.Think about this. Say your Volt gets 60 (EPA combined) MPG and you go 2,839,000 miles.2,839,000 mi / 60 MPG = 47,317 gallons$4 gal x 47317 gal = $189,267 in fuel costSo in the end, the Volt, having traveled exactly as far as the Smart Car, cost $291,000 + $189,267 = $480,267And the Smart Car cost $14,000 + (69,250 gal x $4) = $291,000The per mile cost for the Volt would be $480,267 / 2,839,000 = 16.93 cents per mileWhile the cost per mile for the Smart Car is $291,000 / 2,839,000 = 10.25 cents per mileThe philosophy of CleanMPG is to save money and fuel, right?The Smart Car wins hands-down over the Chevy Volt in saving money.But what about gas?The Volt saved 69,250 - 47317 = 21,933 gallons over 142 years BUT AT NO MONETARY SAVINGS.Then there is the rather serious question about well to wheels efficiency. What did it cost in fuel to mine the lithium in South America, ship it to South Korea to make the batteries then ship them to Detroit?What did it cost in fuel to mine the copper, rare earths and assemble the motor and management systems? And so on.And, of course, how many times and how much more would it cost to replace the Volt's battery packs over 142 years? We forgot to factor that in. Duh...The Smart Car incurred none of these costs. No taxpayer was forced to fork over a cent of hard-won money for me to drive my Smart Car.And the most horrible truth is that I get my savings on the highway, going places. Your Phev has to stay near home to get its "spectacular" savings. Out on the open road, there's no way you can get better mileage than the Smart Car lugging a heavier vehicle with a useless battery pack around. So do I believe the numbers I just posted? Heck no. I think the Smart Car slaughters the Chevy Volt in the real world.http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=328778#post328778http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42178OH MY GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE?See More
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Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:37:14 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000009e56fbc41bc7c6148446111 Mark replied to norm shelton's discussion 'The dash display for low fuel level is gone!' in the group Canada smart Car Clubs http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:129970?xg_source=activity Mark replied to norm shelton's discussion 'The dash display for low fuel level is gone!' in the group Canada smart Car Clubs
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Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:48 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000009e2697100f22e6246b29037 Photo posted by ray lamm http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Photo:130277?xg_source=activity Photo posted by ray lamm

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Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:42:54 +0000
00000000001d300e00000000094083cec23dbcc1e7c4eae6 smartgurl replied to Bill Navarre's discussion 'Blower Motor Out' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130265?xg_source=activity smartgurl replied to Bill Navarre's discussion 'Blower Motor Out'
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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:08:32 +0000
00000000001d300e00000000094083ceec80cd07ce495305 smartgurl replied to Libby Bailey Underwood's discussion 'my car will not start!' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130065?xg_source=activity smartgurl replied to Libby Bailey Underwood's discussion 'my car will not start!'
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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:05:34 +0000
00000000001d300e00000000003cd266160edb8ff0697032 Jack Diehl replied to Michael Karesh's discussion 'smart fortwo reliability - better stats' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130164?xg_source=activity Jack Diehl replied to Michael Karesh's discussion 'smart fortwo reliability - better stats'
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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:55:10 +0000
00000000001d300e0000000001d129ce1e410aada56ade9c Michael Karesh replied to Michael Karesh's discussion 'smart fortwo reliability - better stats' http://www.451s.com/xn/detail/1912846:Comment:130262?xg_source=activity Michael Karesh replied to Michael Karesh's discussion 'smart fortwo reliability - better stats'
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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:45:00 +0000