Alignment after spring install - 451 smart fortwo 2011-12-04T14:47:26Z http://www.451s.com/forum/topics/1912846:Topic:43460?feed=yes&xn_auth=no I have a new improved front s… tag:www.451s.com,2009-05-11:1912846:Comment:61332 2009-05-11T13:16:29.934Z randy zimmer http://www.451s.com/profile/randyzimmer I have a new improved front shock/spring package and I need a pair of front 451 struts.<br /> If you know anyone with a pair to spare, have them contact me!<br /> randyzimmer at verizon net I have a new improved front shock/spring package and I need a pair of front 451 struts.<br /> If you know anyone with a pair to spare, have them contact me!<br /> randyzimmer at verizon net Don't be concerned. I haven't… tag:www.451s.com,2009-05-01:1912846:Comment:60966 2009-05-01T11:33:38.133Z randy zimmer http://www.451s.com/profile/randyzimmer Don't be concerned.<br /> I haven't seen any problem with the camber at the rear.<br /> Because the beam is fixed, (the wheels stay put in relation to each other) there is no camber or toe change in any travel it makes. Don't be concerned.<br /> I haven't seen any problem with the camber at the rear.<br /> Because the beam is fixed, (the wheels stay put in relation to each other) there is no camber or toe change in any travel it makes. I guess Alignment is a must a… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-18:1912846:Comment:43639 2008-09-18T05:29:36.922Z 451 Kahn http://www.451s.com/profile/AndyKhan I guess Alignment is a must after the Spring install. I guess Alignment is a must after the Spring install. Mr flea, The rate is just par… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-18:1912846:Comment:43605 2008-09-18T02:23:21.139Z randy zimmer http://www.451s.com/profile/randyzimmer Mr flea,<br /> The rate is just part of the package.<br /> Bump stop, free length, wire dia, perches and adapters all have to work together.<br /> I've had the front package out 9 times since Friday night, each time followed by a 10 mile drive around. Mr flea,<br /> The rate is just part of the package.<br /> Bump stop, free length, wire dia, perches and adapters all have to work together.<br /> I've had the front package out 9 times since Friday night, each time followed by a 10 mile drive around. ...thanks for the data Randy.… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-17:1912846:Comment:43558 2008-09-17T00:56:28.066Z the flea http://www.451s.com/profile/theflea ...thanks for the data Randy.....I do not shop Wallyworld or Fears for anything or an alignment job...that is for the race shop to do...lol<br /> which spring rate has given you the best take off and cruise measured from the seat of the pants and not the win light...if you know what I mean.....<br /> <br /> ...flea ...thanks for the data Randy.....I do not shop Wallyworld or Fears for anything or an alignment job...that is for the race shop to do...lol<br /> which spring rate has given you the best take off and cruise measured from the seat of the pants and not the win light...if you know what I mean.....<br /> <br /> ...flea Thank Randy, thats a lot of g… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-16:1912846:Comment:43517 2008-09-16T16:11:49.014Z Dave http://www.451s.com/profile/Dave69 Thank Randy, thats a lot of good information. I might just try checking it myself. I agree that tire wear will be minimal because of the light weight. And $200 isn't worth it. Thank Randy, thats a lot of good information. I might just try checking it myself. I agree that tire wear will be minimal because of the light weight. And $200 isn't worth it. As to the stopping ability wi… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-16:1912846:Comment:43515 2008-09-16T14:12:45.904Z randy zimmer http://www.451s.com/profile/randyzimmer As to the stopping ability with 0 toe.<br /> I had a moment Friday in the rain,<br /> changing lanes when the guy in front stopped for a yellow.<br /> ABS saved me and the car stopped straight and true.<br /> I really, honestly did not think I'd stop in time.<br /> <br /> I've been doing alignments since 1972<br /> for many shops and used 7 different<br /> racks and systems. I always wonder if<br /> one of the other guys dropped a fixture<br /> and bent it in between calibrations.<br /> You have to trick the newer systems to make<br /> adjustments to specs you know… As to the stopping ability with 0 toe.<br /> I had a moment Friday in the rain,<br /> changing lanes when the guy in front stopped for a yellow.<br /> ABS saved me and the car stopped straight and true.<br /> I really, honestly did not think I'd stop in time.<br /> <br /> I've been doing alignments since 1972<br /> for many shops and used 7 different<br /> racks and systems. I always wonder if<br /> one of the other guys dropped a fixture<br /> and bent it in between calibrations.<br /> You have to trick the newer systems to make<br /> adjustments to specs you know are wrong.<br /> I'd rather trust my own eyes than a kid at Sears who trained an hour. for 451.3.. & 451.4.. cha… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-16:1912846:Comment:43513 2008-09-16T13:24:44.071Z randy zimmer http://www.451s.com/profile/randyzimmer for 451.3.. & 451.4.. chassis the specs are:<br /> <br /> front<br /> camber (at 0 toe) 0 deg 18' + or - 30'<br /> caster 7 deg 50' + or - 30'<br /> toe 36' + or - 10'<br /> <br /> rear (All 450, 451 & 452 chassis)<br /> camber -2 deg 00' + or - 30'<br /> toe 0 deg + or - 18'<br /> <br /> Paying $200 to prolong the life of $60 tires doesn't really pay off.<br /> You can put it at 1/4" in like they say or straighten them up a bit like I did<br /> to get better crosswind stability and less rolling resistance.<br /> <br /> If you do it yourself, you can monitor the tire wear… for 451.3.. & 451.4.. chassis the specs are:<br /> <br /> front<br /> camber (at 0 toe) 0 deg 18' + or - 30'<br /> caster 7 deg 50' + or - 30'<br /> toe 36' + or - 10'<br /> <br /> rear (All 450, 451 & 452 chassis)<br /> camber -2 deg 00' + or - 30'<br /> toe 0 deg + or - 18'<br /> <br /> Paying $200 to prolong the life of $60 tires doesn't really pay off.<br /> You can put it at 1/4" in like they say or straighten them up a bit like I did<br /> to get better crosswind stability and less rolling resistance.<br /> <br /> If you do it yourself, you can monitor the tire wear and change it,<br /> but remember, with only 400# per wheel in the front,<br /> they aren't going to wear much no matter where they're pointed.<br /> <br /> The last couple weeks I've tried 8 different front spring packages and 3 rear.<br /> The front is just about settled on but I still have work to do on the rear. Left the stock shocks for now… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-16:1912846:Comment:43510 2008-09-16T13:07:29.852Z Dave http://www.451s.com/profile/Dave69 Left the stock shocks for now. Ride doesn't seem to be to harsh. The rocking during shifting is gone. Left the stock shocks for now. Ride doesn't seem to be to harsh. The rocking during shifting is gone. How is your ride quality? Did… tag:www.451s.com,2008-09-16:1912846:Comment:43489 2008-09-16T04:55:08.515Z 451 Kahn http://www.451s.com/profile/AndyKhan How is your ride quality? Did you change the shocks? How is your ride quality? Did you change the shocks?